{"id":6261,"date":"2013-06-09T12:03:24","date_gmt":"2013-06-09T19:03:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/blog\/?p=3293"},"modified":"2025-12-14T13:25:40","modified_gmt":"2025-12-14T21:25:40","slug":"is-the-nsa-using-backblaze-storage-pods-for-prism-surveillance-data-heres-what-we-know","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/blog\/is-the-nsa-using-backblaze-storage-pods-for-prism-surveillance-data-heres-what-we-know\/","title":{"rendered":"Backblaze Did NOT Provide Any Data to NSA PRISM"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3309\" src=\"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/CIA-CTO-Cloud.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"558\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https:\/\/backblazeprod.wpenginepowered.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/CIA-CTO-Cloud.png 558w, https:\/\/backblazeprod.wpenginepowered.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/CIA-CTO-Cloud-300x176.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 558px) 100vw, 558px\" \/><\/p>\n<p id=\"bzdropcap\">The <a title=\"leaked NSA PRISM presenation\" href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-srv\/special\/politics\/prism-collection-documents\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">leaked presentation<\/a> about PRISM detailed the ability for the NSA to collect emails, photos, videos, and more from nine companies including: Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and Apple. There has been a tremendous amount of debate about whether PRISM allows \u201cdirect\u201d access to these companies\u2019 servers, somewhat limited access through some type of intermediate portal, or only the fulfillment of individual legally required requests. There have also been denials by all nine of the companies listed as \u201ccurrent providers\u201d regarding whether PRISM actually has direct access.<\/p>\n<p>(Note: <a href=\"\/blog\/backblaze-did-not-provide-any-data-to-nsa-prism\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Backblaze did not share customer data with PRISM<\/a>. This post is about whether the NSA is using Backblaze <a href=\"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/cloud-storage\/resources\/storage-pod\">Storage Pod<\/a> technology that we open sourced.)<\/p>\n<p>Regardless what the NSA actually <em>has<\/em> gotten access to and how they have done so, it\u2019s clear that their <em>intent<\/em> is to collect an astounding amount of digital data. How much data?<\/p>\n<p>On November 1, 2009, TechCrunch reported (based on a book review of &#8220;<a title=\"book review of The Untold History of the National Security Agency\" href=\"http:\/\/www.nybooks.com\/articles\/archives\/2009\/nov\/05\/whos-in-big-brothers-database\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Secret Sentry: The Untold History of the National Security Agency<\/a>&#8220;) that the NSA intends to build a new $2 billion Utah-based data center to store a <a title=\"yottabyte of surveillance data\" href=\"http:\/\/techcrunch.com\/2009\/11\/01\/nsa-to-store-yottabytes-of-surveillance-data-in-utah-megarepository\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">yottabyte of surveillance data<\/a> by the end of 2015.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s nearly impossible to wrap your head around how much data is in a yottabyte, but since <a title=\"Backblaze online backup\" href=\"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Backblaze<\/a> is in the business of backing up mass volumes of data, we decided to give some context with a blog post a couple weeks later: &#8220;<a title=\"NSA might want some Backblaze Storage Pods\" href=\"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/blog\/nsa-might-want-some-backblaze-pods\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The NSA Might Want Some Backblaze Pods<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>We estimated it would cost over $100 trillion and require data centers the size of Delaware and Rhode Island combined to store that much data.<\/p>\n<p>To put it in other terms, Facebook announced that it has 250 <a href=\"\/blog\/petabytes-on-a-budget-10-years-and-counting\/\">petabytes<\/a> of data. A yottabyte is a billion petabytes. <strong>The NSA intends to have the capacity to store all of Facebook&#8217;s data four million times over.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>So, why do we think the NSA may be using Backblaze Storage Pods?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>With the goal of storing an outrageous amount of data, there would be several design goals:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Density:<\/strong> Being able to fit as much of that data in as small a space as possible is critical in order to not require building state-sized data centers.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Cost:<\/strong> While the NSA is the largest spy-agency spender in the world, when measuring storage costs in billions and trillions, cost does become a significant driver of possibility.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Both of these are important and something the <a title=\"Backblaze Storage Pod\" href=\"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/blog\/180tb-of-good-vibrations-storage-pod-3-0\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Backblaze Storage Pods<\/a> have been optimized for, but the NSA may benefit most from one unusual aspect of our systems: open source hardware.<\/p>\n<p>When SGI <a title=\"bought\" href=\"http:\/\/news.cnet.com\/SGI-buys-supercomputer-vendor-Cray\/2100-1023_3-206180.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">bought<\/a> super-computer maker Cray in 1996, our CTO who worked there at the time said the running joke was, \u201cSGI sold no units this quarter, but made a healthy profit.\u201d That wasn\u2019t magic accounting. It was the NSA requiring purchases not be disclosed. The problem was, revenue still had to be reported.<\/p>\n<p>If the NSA purchased billions of dollars of storage equipment from EMC, NetApp, or Hitachi, it would be nearly impossible to keep that size of an order under wraps.<\/p>\n<p>The beauty of open source hardware is that the NSA can build these systems themselves. How much does the NSA value secrecy?<\/p>\n<h3>The CIA and Other Government Agencies<\/h3>\n<p>For a brief moment several years ago, Backblaze sold Storage Pods. (We haven\u2019t since and don\u2019t now.) At the time, two government agencies bought Storage Pods from us with exactly this goal in mind: they wanted a few units to test and if they worked, they would build a team internally to manufacture their own Storage Pods based on the open source hardware specifications.<\/p>\n<p>Neither of those agencies was going to use that storage for surveillance.<\/p>\n<p>On September 8, 2011, however, we received an email titled, \u201cVisit with the CIA.\u201d It stated:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You also might be aware that the CIA has a new five year funded initiative to centralize data services into a large private cloud. I have information on that if you are interested. The project is in discovery mode now and I am assisting the Office of the CTO in becoming aware of all the potential technologies that might be deployed. I am organizing a technology tour ( my fourth one) concentrating on infrastructure and security.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A few days later they sent us a presentation:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/CIA-CTO-Cloud.png\" data-rel=\"lightbox-gallery-Q3qBjLJt\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-3309\" title=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/CIA-CTO-Cloud.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"558\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https:\/\/backblazeprod.wpenginepowered.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/CIA-CTO-Cloud.png 558w, https:\/\/backblazeprod.wpenginepowered.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/CIA-CTO-Cloud-300x176.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 558px) 100vw, 558px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>And a week later a few folks arrived at our office and the agenda was:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The meeting agenda should be an overview of your products and technology as it relates to the mission of the new private cloud project ( see attachments) that is now funded beginning this year. The meeting should be very interactive allowing discussions about applications of your technology.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>During the meeting, the team was interested in how to store large volumes of data and cost efficiency. Neither the identity of nor the data of our customers was ever of interest or brought up.<\/p>\n<p><strong>So, does the NSA store surveillance data on Backblaze Storage Pods?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>We don\u2019t know for sure and the NSA is certainly not publishing their storage architecture. However, between the multiple government agencies using and exploring Backblaze Storage Pods and the Pods&#8217; characteristics as highly dense, cost efficient, and open source systems, certainly makes them a very likely candidate. Perhaps another leak will answer that question in the future!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The leaked presentation about PRISM detailed the ability for the NSA to collect emails, photos, videos, and more from nine companies including: Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and Apple. There has been a tremendous amount of debate about whether PRISM allows \u201cdirect\u201d access to these companies\u2019 servers, somewhat limited access through some type of intermediate portal, or&hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/blog\/is-the-nsa-using-backblaze-storage-pods-for-prism-surveillance-data-heres-what-we-know\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Backblaze Did NOT Provide Any Data to NSA PRISM<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":3309,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"content-type":"","footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[7,23],"tags":[468],"class_list":["post-6261","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-cloud-storage","category-storage-pod","tag-b2cloud","entry"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Our Stance on Privacy: Backblaze Did Not Provide Data to NSA PRISM<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"The leaked presentation about PRISM detailed the ability for the NSA to collect emails, photos, videos, and more from nine companies including: Microsoft,\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/blog\/is-the-nsa-using-backblaze-storage-pods-for-prism-surveillance-data-heres-what-we-know\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Our Stance on Privacy: Backblaze Did Not Provide Data to NSA PRISM\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"The leaked presentation about PRISM detailed the ability for the NSA to collect emails, photos, videos, and more from nine companies including: Microsoft,\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.backblaze.com\/blog\/is-the-nsa-using-backblaze-storage-pods-for-prism-surveillance-data-heres-what-we-know\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Backblaze Blog | Cloud Storage &amp; 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